The Debate over 9/11 Truth: Dick Eastman vs. Jim Fetzer

As the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, it has been my fate to receive attacks from all sides, including “the thermite sniffers” (Steve Jones, Kevin Ryan, and their allies) but also by “the plane huggers” (including Anthony Lawson, and Dick Eastman), not to mention the members of the Judy Wood alliance, which displays the features that are characteristic of a cult. I am not claiming they are a formal cult, but behave as though they were by having the mentality of those who are locked into a feeling of certainty, will tolerate no criticism and blindly follow their leader.

The first group, “the thermite sniffers”, has been defeated by a series of articles co-authored with T. Mark Hightower, a chemical engineer–“Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?”, “Is ‘9/11 Truth’ based upon a false theory?”, and “Nanothermite: If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”, which has been complemented by new research supporting the conclusion that the Twin Towers were destroyed by means of mini or micro nukes, including “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”, “Mini-Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle”, and “Mystery Solved: The WTC was Nuked on 9/11”.

The situation with the Wood’s cult–which includes the dogma of DEWS, the sacred text, Where did the Towers Go?, a mystical leader (Judy Wood herself), and a praetorian guard that viciously attacks anyone who questions those views (as 3,000 attacks on me for an originally 5-star review, now downgraded to 3-stars following The Vancouver Hearings, vividly displays)–is more complex. While we disagree about how the Twin Towers were destroyed, key members of this group, including Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, agree with me that no Big Boeings–757s at Shanksville and the Pentagon, 767s at the North and South Towers–crashed on 9/11, which makes them allies on this aspect of 9/11.

Morgan was the first to make a public splash about “no planes” when he appeared on FOX NEWS in 2008, which appears to have been a set-up to discredit him when the anchor brings up the idea of “no planes” given the videos “the rest of us saw”, as though any of us who deny that Boeing 757s and 767s crashed on 9/11 had not seen them.  He did what he could on that show:

More importantly, Morgan published a piece by Joe Keith, who was the software engineer who designed the on-ground “shaker system” for Boeing, who points out that the videos show the plane (Flight 175, presumably) passing through its whole length into the building in the same number of frames it passes through its own length in air, which is impossible–unless Newton’s laws were suspended on 9/11!  Notice that Joe describes himself as an “aerospace engineer” because he is a software engineer who worked in the aerospace industry, not because he is an aeronautical engineer, which is another classification.

It was Joe’s argument that convinced me that no Boeings had crashed on 9/11, which has come to be known as the “no planes” position.  But Anthony Lawson and Dick Eastman appear to have no grasp of elementary physics and have both attacked me again and again for my position, which they assume to be false, given the limitations of their understanding.  The only attack on me that comes close to the one launched by Dick Eastman was advanced by Kevin Ryan, who, like them, did not understand the issues, as I explained in “The Debate over 9/11 Truth: Kevin Ryan vs. Jim Fetzer”.  I am glad to report, therefore, that he appears to be redeeming himself with a new book on 9/11, ANOTHER NINETEEN (2013), which I have yet to read but which others are telling me looks very good to them.

However he presents himself now in articles and on the radio, James Fetzer was one of a group who fatally hurt efforts to bring the true perpetrators of 9-11 to justice.   FALSE. AS BECOMES INCREASINGLY OBVIOUS AS YOU READ THROUGH THE RUBBISH HE HAS POSTULATED TO SUPPORT THIS FALSE DEPICTION, WHICH IS PROVABLY FALSE, HE HAS MISREPRESENTED ME AT EVERY TURN.  HE HAS NEVER READ MY STUFF AND DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE HISTORY OF SCHOLARS.

He gave massive attention to the no-planes-hit-the-WTC towers group that I many years ago named the “no-planers.”  (They called me the “plane hugger” because I countered with others all their arguments stating that the planes were all “video fakery” (Nico Haupt’s term), that the witnesses who saw planes were liars, that it would have been impossible for a “flying bus” (Morgan Reynolds’ term) to penetrate a “steel building” and not bounce off (Gerard Holmgren’s argument) and a dozen arguments which I answered, Peter Sault answered, Mark Bilk answered, Eric Salter answered. FALSE. SALTER COMMITTED A BLUNDER THAT WAS EXPOSED IN AN ARTICLE CO-AUTHORED BY MORAN REYNOLDS WHEN HE USED TWO DIFFERENT FRAMES OF REFERENCE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS DECELERATION.

I caught the no-planers in deliberate deception after deception to mislead people in support of their theory.  FALSE.  I WAS NOT A “NO PLANER” UNTIL AT LEAST MID-2007 AND MY VIEWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THOSE OF OTHERS MENTIONED HERE..  IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY REAL PLANE TO HAVE ENTERED THOSE BUILDINGS WITHOUT CRUMPLING AND EXPLODING.

Rosalee Grable and Holmgren met in Chicago and devised the “no-planer” thesis  — I knew the both well  — I had introduced Holmgren (an Austrailian) to American 9-11 investigators  — having been an investigator since way before Fetzer, Reynolds or Haupt began their counter-intelligence operations against the American public.  FALSE.  I RESISTED THE VERY IDEA FOR AT LEAST 18 MONTHS OF BADGERING BY MORGAN REYNOLDS AND THEN BEGAN INTERVIEWING ABOUT 15 STUDENTS ABOUT IT BEFORE I BECAME CONVINCED BY THE ARGUMENT OF JOE KEITH, WHICH ANTHONY HAS DONE HIS BEST TO MISREPRESENT.

Not only did James Fetzer give the many who suddenly appeared all believing the no-plane-hit-the-WTC position — but he also stated that their arguments had merit and deserved the foremost place he had given them at Scholars for 9-11 Truth  — which he founded with Steven Jones and then took over for himself to lead  COMPLETE RUBBISH.  STEVE JONES LEFT SCHOLARS.  I DID NOT BOOT HIM.  THAT WAS HIS DECISION–AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH “PLANES/NO PLANES”, WHICH AT THAT POINT IN TIME I HAD NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY

— with the army of no-planers backing his power play  —  and himself presented the no-planes-hit-the-WTC arguments  — as Fox News and the American Press Club and other networks started using him as the representative “9-11 Truther” FALSE HISTORY. I WAS FEATURED ON FOX THREE TIMES –TWICE WITH “HANNITY & COLMES” AND ONCE WITH O’REILLY– BEFORE I TOOK “NO PLANES SERIOUSLY AND IT DID NOT COME UP DURING THESE INTERVIEWS

he and Morgan Reynolds (whom I knew at Texas A & M when I was in the doctoral program in Economics)  and who was with Karl Rove and Ted Olsen in the White House on Sept 11, 2001  so suddenly he shows up joining Fetzer and Holmgren and Rosalee and Haupt in saying no-planes-hit-the-WTC  FALSE HISTORY, SINCE I DID NOT TAKE AN INTEREST IN “NO PLANES” UNTIL MUCH LATER— when he must have known — if he was looking at the subject at all  — that his old acquaintance from 1980-82 was arguing that Flight 77 did not crash at the Pentagon  — which is in fact proven in a way that no one can question the proofs.

He must have known because of the I was the first to prove that witnesses were right about a large plane seen heading towards the Pentagon over the Naval Annex but that it flew over the Pentagon while bombs (see Barbara Honegger on bombs inside the Pentagon here and http://tinyurl.com/smokecurtain). GOOD FOR DICK EASTMAN, BUT I NEVER BELIEVED A BOEING 757 HAD HIT THE PENTAGON. WHEN I PUBLISHED ABOUT IT, HE ATTACKED ME, EVEN THOUGH HE AND I WERE (OR SO I THOUGHT) ON THE SAME SIDE. 

I was one of the first and it turns out one of the few that was not part of the Mike Ruppert Carol Brouillet group which immediately acted as gatekeepers — keeping away the ones who knew what decisive and conclusive evidence is  (what is decisive and conclusive evidence?  THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.  I HAVE PUBLISHED MANY ARTICLES EXPOSING THE FRAUDS OF SANDY HOOK AND THE BOSTON BOMBING.

Dzhokhar Tsaranev’s white backpack for example — how can you respect anyone writing about the Boston Marathon Bombing who misses that (either through being really slow or because they are part of the obstruction of justice effort protecting the false-flag terrorism complicit Joint Task Force).   I POINT OUT THE WHITE PATCH ON THE BACKPACK FOR THE CRAFT INTERNATIONAL GUY WHO’S BACKPACK APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TWO THAT EXPLODED.

All of my arguments were met Fetzer and all of the other no-planers with the same kind of response you just got when you forwarded my letter.  Fetzer  accused me of divisiveness because I would not tolerate putting “no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers” on the same footing NO, I HAVE ONLY FAULTED YOU FOR CRITICIZING ME WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING MY ARGUMENTS.  IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY READ THEM , YOU (Fetzer gave it top priority, along with Judy Woods ray gun thesis which was contrived to crowd out Dr. Steven Jone’s discovery of thermite residues in WTC dust.  FALSE.  I FEATURED JUDY ON MY RADIO PROGRAM ON 11 NOVEMBER 2006 BECAUSE I HAD BECOME CONVINCED THAT NANOTHERMITE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE EVIDENCE, WHERE IN COLLABORATION WITH T. MARK HIGHTOWER, IT HAS BEEN PROVEN:

— but that is another story about Fetzer that Jones and other physicists have told  —  and remember, Fetzer at first “made nice” with Jones to jointly found “Scholars for 9-11 Truth”  — only to, in a coordinated effort with the dedicated no-planers crowd — to take over Scholars from Jones and afterwards to pit Judy Wood’s energy-beams-brought-down-the-WTC against the conclusive evidence that Thermite was used in the demolition  (as proven in laboratories in the USA and Europe) THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER RUBBISH.  I INVITED JONES TO BE MY CO-CHAIR AT THE SUGGESTION OF DAVID RAY GRIFFIN. HE AND I NEVER DISCUSSED “NO PLANES”.  IT WASN’T EVEN ON MY RADAR UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR.  JUDY’S ALTERNATIVE DESERVED CONSIDERATION, IN MY VIEW, BECAUSE I WAS CONVINCED THAT NANOTHERMITE COULD NOT CUT IT. — in fact, when a graduate student involved with “9-11 Truth”  (a cultish name  — the real investigators refer to themselves as “9-11 (citizen) investigators”.

Anyway, this graduate student was later walking down the sidewalk with two women when he was approached by two men and shot in the head twice, the women he was with were unharmed and nothing was stolen.  THIS WAS A TRAGIC EVENT THAT APPEARS TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 RESEARCH.  I SPOKE WITH THE DETECTIVE WHO INVESTIGATED THE CASE TWICE ABOUT IT. Knowing the role that Judy Wood and Fetzer were playing I speculated in a letter whether this graduate student had visited Wood’s office and seen something on a monitor that he should not have seen  — and guess how Judy Wood reacted?  Did she say I was crazy?  No.  Did she simply deny it?  No.  Did she ignore it as a suggest that is beneith being dignified with a response? No.  What she did was accuse Steven Jones of being behind the murder. Dr. Jones in another state.  WHAT JUDY THOUGHT ABOUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

Dr. Jones being the most peaceful and loving soul one can imagine, a quiet conservative professor of Physics at Brigham Young University with no political or activist interests, beyond local public service (like most Mormons)  — and that to me was a significant datum telling me all I need to know about Judy Wood and reinforcing all I had already known from direct experience about Dr. Jame Fetzer.  RIDICULOUS. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND HAD NOT EVEN FEATURED JUDY WOOD ON MY RADIO SHOW.  DICK EASTMAN IS MAKING THIS UP AS FAR AS IT GOES CONCERNING ME.

Morgan Reynolds went to the no-planers rather than me  — I was certainly known to him  — and he never once contacted me before going to Reynolds.  The fact is that I was better known in November of 2001 than I am today  — David Ray Griffin’s first book  “9-11 The New Pearl Harbor” devoted half of its chapter on the Pentagon to my work, and the other half to Gerard Holmgren’s who I introduced to the world when he first contacted me and I began including his articles on 9-11 in my postings.  Indeed Griffin had more references to Dick Eastman than to Condoleeza Rice  — as me in my vanity readily recall.  Also I was on the Jim Valentine program with Christopher Bollyn  — one of the few investigators who was for real and is still in action looking for the truth  — Bollyn and I were interviewed on November 25, 2001  — when we already had enough evidence of remote controlled planes and bombs in the WTC that should have brought down the organized crime Administration  — were it not for the Karl Rovish operations involving  Mike Ruppert and Carol Brouillet  — who became the leaders of ther “Truth Movement” and kept me out of every conference  — Ruppert later said that 9-11 was irrelevant, and when the 9-11 commission opened up Ruppert left the country as a guest of  some non-profit group to discuss “peak oil” in several countries in Europe and Latin America.  I was outraged that he took everyones money and became the big spokesman  — pushed me aside  — and even threatened to sue me for harming his business (he is in the business of informing you, just like Alex Jones  — who as far as I know still has never mentioned my name to any of his audience)  — if it wasn’t for Rense I would not have had a threat of hope to hang on to, btw  —  and so the big name 9-11 guy that took front stage  — disappeared when it was time to present evidence.  I sent evidence and e-mailed evidence but it never reached the committee.  Some Jewish guy was the gatekeeper to the committee  — and I asked him to forward my evidence  — and was told by this Jewish guy, that he knew who to give my letters to and it wasn’t the committee.  And I shared that with people  — and still got the same zero response I get on social credit and Dzhokhar’s white bag.  People are afraid to speak up  — because they do not want to lock horns with an organization that shoots people in the head twice  for going against their obstruction of justice operations.  I have seen good men slandered and insulted and ridiculed until they gave up.  My friend Quig was a reporter and he talked to me on the phone and in internet about starting his own website, about how cop-vs-cia which was started by Ruppert and which was rejecting his 9-11 postings, they banned me  — how he was going to start a website and post my stuff.  He was also talking to me about General Purdy, whom he know and had told about me, he wanted me to call Purdy  — I was reluctant  — I like the “merchandise” the truth to sell itself,  and so I hesitated.  When I did call Purdy it was to tell him that Quig had been run over in a parking lot in Arizona, by a pickup truck.  Quig had been carrying a piece of plywood when he was hit.  I told Purdy about Quig but I knew it was pointless to tell this know-it-all general what I knew without having Quig there endorse me.  (Because by then the false-theories  — the planted absurd theories  — were in full swing and people expected everyone talking about 9-11 to be a crazy unbalanced sort of person  — a view which Nico Haupt cultivated and developed — an agent from the Netherlands — helping to cover the crime in which his Bilderberger queeen was doubless involved.  Haupt took my writings by the way and told me he was distributing them to everyone  — he had built a data-bank of all 9-11 investigators and was communicating with them all  — part of the operation to isolate and shut down the real ones and promote the false ones  –  like the no-planers, like the hologram plane people, the nuclear devices people and any fool theory or blind ally leading red-herring person.  There are videos of Haupt by himself disrupting real grass-roots citizen investigation meetings.  He just started talking and they guy who had the floor speaking to the group  – just could not continue as Haupt gave his raving talk  — repulsing everyone — not making sense, interjecting the no-planes-hit-wtc arguments  about video “fakery” etc.  And in that way good people gave up or were turned off on the very thought of looking into the matter.  And Fetzer sided with Haput, Reynolds, Holmgren and several others — John Lear, the black sheep CIA-flying son of the Lear Jet man  — he too a no-planes-hit-the-WTC operative. YES, AFTER I INTERVIEWED FIFTEEN GUESTS ABOUT IT AND BECAME CONVINCED BY JOE KEITH’S ARGUMENT, WHICH ANTHONY HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GRASP.

And Fetzer called on the Truth Movement to ban me because I am divisive and not “inclusive”, not tolerant of other opinions all of which deserve a fair impartial hearing by qualified scholars  —   etc.   but Fetzer never allowed my findings to be presented in his Scholars for 9-11 forums  — FALSE.  I HAVE NOT MADE THE PRACTICE OF BANNING ANYONE, ALTHOUGH DICK EASTMAN IS SLOPPY AND IRRESPONSIBLE, AND I HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATING HERE.

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He preferred Morgan Reynolds who gave weak and bogus reasons on TV and in mainstream media interviews  — giving as his reason for saying Flight 77 did not crash:  “Where’s the blood.”  FALSE. I DID NOT COMMENT ON MORGAN’S “NO PLANE” POSITION AT THE TIME, SINCE I HAD NOT STUDIED THE ISSUE.  UNLIKE EASTMAN, I ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO STUDY THE EVIDENCE BEFORE I ADOPT POSITIONS ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

Now that was a valid question for most of you dummies (who do not see the importance of Dzhokhar’s white backpack when the bomb was in a black one!!!!!  — you swallowed it  — you let Fox news and other media get away with showing Fetzer and Reynolds YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BOSTON BOMBING, WHICH ONLY OCCURRED THIS YEAR, WHEN THE FOX APPEARANCES WERE IN 2006!  and not showing them Christopher Bollyn or Dick Eastman  (someone bought the populist Spotlight newspaper, just to fire reporters like Bollyn, in my opinion, btw  — but as I was saying, Morgan Reynolds knew — from Karl Rove?  — that you can always turn people away from the truth and make them dead-set against accepting the truth by getting there first and giving them stupid arguments for the truth, bad arguments for the right answer, arguments like, “where is the blood?”  which repel people, which insult them, which infuriate them, which make the whole question aversive to them  — and that is what the media with Fetzer’s and Reyonold’s help accomplished  WHAT IN GOD’S NAME IS HE TALKING ABOUT?  THIS VERGES ON THE INSANE

— Reynolds and Holmgren and Wood are the kind of people that Fetzer showcased after he threw out Jones FALSE AGAIN. I DID NOT “THROW OUT” JONES.  THE HISTORY OF SCHOLARS IS DOCUMENTED AT 911SCHOLARS.ORG UNDER “FOUNDER’S CORNER” AND IN “WIKIPEDIA AS A 9/11 DISINFORMATION OP”.  HE GETS NOTHING RIGHT.  and as he called for everyone to blacklist me because I am divisive.  I COULD HAVE CARED LESS ABOUT DICK EASTMAN.  I DID NOT EVEN KNOW OF HIS EXISTENCE UNTIL HE BEGAN MAKING THESE FALSE, MALICIOUS AND UNWARRANTED ATTACKS UPON ME

(Actually Fetzer started promoting no-planes and Judy Wood while Jones was still co-chairman of Truth  — Jones objected to this effort to attach all of that crap to Jones work through the affiliation  — and Jones protested and so Fetzer threw Jones out  THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE.  I WAS NOT INTERESTED IN “NO PLANES” AND DID NOT REMOVE STEVE.  HE DEPARTED ON HIS OWN AND WAS VERY NASTY ABOUT IT— but Jones gave the laboratory discovery of thermite in the WTC dust  —  Fetzer gave us nothing  NANOTHERMITE CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE BLOWN THE TOWERS APART, AS T. MARK HIGHTOWER AND I HAVE EXPLAINED IN THREE ARTICLES THAT, LIKE MY WORK ON “NO PLANES”, DICK EASTMAN HAS APPARENTLY NEVER BOTHERED TO READ. — nothing but his puffed up pose as a scholar, which he sold to naive Jones — and then when Jones had his name associated with Scholars for 9-11 Truth Fetzer brought in the no-planers.  THIS IS ALL RUBBISH AND IS PROVABLY FALSE.  CONSULT THE SOURCES I HAVE CITED HERE AND MORE.

I want that in the history books because that is what really happened.  None of the big names today are for real.  Jesse Ventura included none of the evidence of the Pentagon that is conclusive and compelling  — he gave another version of the Morgan Reynolds argument.  You don’t go from professional wrestler (all fake) and before that a trained killer for the Navy Seals  and then become Governor of a state  unless you have pleased the power brokers of high organized crime.  THIS IS DUMB.  EVEN IF JESSE DOESN’T ALWAYS HAVE IT ALL RIGHT–HIS ENDORSEMENT OF NANOTHERMITE BEING AN EXAMPLE–HE DOES A FAR BETTER JOB THAT NITWITS WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY ARE SLOPPY, CARELESS & FOCUSED ON THEMSELVES.

That’s my view of all this.  I was there.  I measured these people first hand.  And I was the expert in the field — the field that Fetzer and his fellow operatives succeeded in muddying and stinking to protect the real killers of 9-11. THIS IS COMPLETE CRAP.  THIS MAN IS A FRAUD AND A PHONY AND, AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED HERE AGAIN AND AGAIN, A BIG-TIME LIAR FOR PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT HE DOES NOT KNOW.  HE HAS HIS “FACTS FOXED”. INDEED, IT IS WORSE THAT THAT. HE IS MAKING ALL THIS UP.

Don’t let Fetzer impress you with what he learned from us  — because he uses all of the good arguments we gave him when he goes to another country  — because first he has to make himself credible  — that is why sometimes he sounds like one of the real investigators  — he has had a lot of contact with us  — but then he turns, as he turned on Jones and starts sabotaging with his usual counter-intelligence measures the people who invited him to speak. DICK EASTMAN HAS CONSIGNED HIMSELF TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY. I DON’T THINK I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED A MORE IRRESPONSIBLE MAN IN THE HISTORY OF 9/11 RESEARCH.  HE HAS DISCREDITED HIMSELF WITH HIS RUBBISH.

End of story.  Save this for the history books.  YES. LET THE HISTORY BOOKS RECORD THAT DICK EASTMAN WAS SO PREOCCUPIED WITH PROMOTING HIS OWN IMAGE AND PACIFYING HIS INSATIABLE EGO THAT HE EVEN ATTACKED THOSE WHO WERE DOING MORE TO ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF 9/11 TRUTH THAN HE AND HIS IGNORANT FRIEND ANTHONY LAWSON COULD POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE OF THEIR LAÇK OF KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS AND PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS.  IT IS ALL THE MORE A PITY, BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH INTELLIGENT MEN WHO, HAD THEY NOT ABUSED THEIR TALENTS, MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY AMOUNTED TO SOMETHING.  I HAVE OFTEN EXTOLLED THE VIRTUES OF “THIS IS AN ORANGE”, BUT THAT CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN MORE THAN OFFSET BY ANTHONY’S OWN ENDLESS OBSESSION WITH ATTACKING ME FOR HIS IGNORANCE OF PHYSICS, WHICH APPEARS TO BE EXCEEDED ONLY BY EASTMAN’S INSATIABLE QUEST TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR IMMENSE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT EXIST ONLY IN HIS MIND.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

P.S. ON ANTHONY LAWSON, SEE “9/11: An Open Letter to Anthony Lawson about ‘Absurdities'”.